Jul 14, 2008
by Matthew Akers at 10:00 AM

Not many people know that the Zune 2.1 software release was a complete re-write of the software. We wiped the slate clean and started over. So, it wasn’t as simple as porting features over, we literally had to re-write the application from the ground up. Features like autoplaylists are no simple task to implement, and while we wanted them in the first 2.1 release, it just wasn’t possible. Now we have them, so it’s moot point, but I wanted to enlighten you as to why they weren’t included until now.

 

It was almost serendipitous that the “July Zune News” email was sent out earlier this week, and guess what the tip and trick was? You guessed it, how to create autoplaylists. (See this link for explicit instructions on how to create and sync autoplaylists) I thought, “awesome segue for my next blog post, sweeeet…”

 

Enough babbling, dude, show me some autoplaylists…

I have a few autoplaylists that I listen to religiously, I think you’ll find them useful as well. I won’t go in depth on basic setup (see link), but I will give you a few ideas on some parameters to start with. Here goes…

 

“Auto faves”

This is the quintessential autoplaylist. All of the songs you have rated as a heart will be added, and as you mark new songs with a heart rating, they are added to the list. I play this one more than any other playlist I have. This one is super simple to make; fire up the autoplaylist editor and select the Rating drop down, and then choose the heart (like) rating. Set the limit to no limit, and you’re done. (ps- a different spin on this one is to create a separate autoplaylist of songs you haven’t rated yet. I have found more than a few gems I had forgotten about using this method)

 

“100 Songs I have never heard”

This one is easy to setup, and is blast to listen to. Leave all music filters set to “all”, with the exception of “song plays”. In the song plays drop-down menu, choose “never played.” Set the limit to 100 songs, and let it arrange them randomly. The software will automatically scan your collection for songs you have never played and generate a random list. Then, each time you play one of the songs from the playlist, it is removed, and another song you haven’t played is added in its place. I was amazed that I hadn’t listened to Master P since Zune 2.1 came out, but Percy and I are back on good terms now…

 

“Songs added in the last 7 days”

Since I have the Zune pass, I am a fiend for new music Tuesdays! I download most of the new albums that come out on Tuesday, jam them over the week, and then keep the albums I really like. Rinse and repeat. To accomplish this, I fire up autoplaylists and select the Recently added drop down and choose “in the last (days):” and enter in the number 7 (you can obviously tweak # of days as you see fit). Then choose to arrange the songs by date added. I choose no limit to the songs as a personal preference, but you can choose to limit it if you like. Voila, now you have a running autoplaylist that will continually refresh itself with the new tunes you acquire.

 

“50 most played songs”

When I made this one, I realized that I listen to Radiohead way too much (is that even possible?). Start by setting your song plays to More Than 5. Then choose to arrange the songs by most played. Set the limit to 50 songs and you’re done. As you play songs more and more, they will be added to the list, as you stop listening to others as much, they will drop off of the list. Good way to find your uber-favorites.

 

How about some tricks?

Ever want to listen to a list of all of the Daft Punk, Radiohead, and Gorillaz tracks in your collection? I know I do. You can add multiple artists to the same autoplaylist by using a semi-colon. So, in the Album Artist field of the autoplaylist editor, choose your artist, then put a semi-colon after it, then type in another artist, and repeat. My album artist field in the editor looks like this (without quotes) “Radiohead; Daft Punk; Gorillaz”. Now you can add any artists you like together. I even have one with OutKast and Goodie Mob when I am in a southern hip hop mood. (Note: you can also do this with multiple genres. Like Hip Hop and Electronica? Try it out.)

 

If you’re like me, you have multiple genres listed for the same kind of music. Electronic, Electronica, Electronic/Dance, Electronica & Dance, etc. Wow! How about Hip Hop, Hip-Hop, Hip Hop/Rap, Hip-Hop/R&B, etc. Yikes! Thank god (or our developers) for including a wildcard matching algorithm. In the genre field of the autoplaylist editor, just type in “electro” (no quotes), and the editor will pull every genre that starts with “electro”. For the hip hop dilemma, type in “hip” and it will pull all of the hip hop variant genres in your collection. You can do this with any genre. This is one of my fave features of autoplaylists hands down.

 

Alright, I have talked long enough. What say you loyal readers? Do you have a favorite autoplaylist that you can’t live without? Have another trick that you use to make the editor more powerful? Post a comment and share your faves with the other readers.

 

Experiment, have fun, and be excellent to each other…

32 Comments
Comments

Yes, it's called 5 Star Playlist... and because there's no 5 stars now, it's pretty much pointless.

Thanks.

Nice post Matt...didn't know about the wilcard searches...or multiple artists. This is the first one of these "inside the team" blog posts that I've found useful. :)

Will be adding some new auto playlists to my sync groups...!

(BTW...please bring back 5 star ratings as at least an option for advanced users!)

Excellent tips !  I never knew about the multiple artist feature.  There should be a tip window in the GUI or something to make it more obvious.

On the point about genres.  I really wish there was more of a social tagging system than genres.  Genre meta-data is inconsistent, wrong and pretty useless.  Some music just doesn't fit into a genre (usually the best music).  I would prefer some tagging from the record labels and then some democratic tagging on top.  Maybe a tag for each instrument, the BPM or something.

Autoplaylists are great....  I'd LOVE to see The Filter integrated.  You give it an artist and it finds other songs in your collection that are related.

Sort of like Pandora, but The Filter works on WMP databases.

I did a article on this located here:

http://www.mjefferson.net/2008/04/03/zune-streaming-playlists/

for the version before 2.5, but it still holds true. Auto playlists has actually made it even easier as I just now make a auto playlist of all my music (I actually subtract out the comedy and soundtracks and Christmas songs, but thats just me) and then send that auto playlist file to my work computer. Then you just remove a few lines from the auto playlist to make it a normal playlist and voila - a streaming playlist of all (well all that you used your zune pass for and didn't have to actually buy) your music.

Best of all it updates your play counts.

Autoplaylists are certainly cool, and very useful for those with the Flash Zunes, but what about people like me who sprung for the Zune80? I have my 80 set to sync all music in my collection, but for some reason a select number of songs just don't want to sync, it's especially bad with artists. For example, out of 140 Outkast songs, only 6 of them are currently synced with my Zune. I tried creating an autoplaylist of just Outkast, dragging the tracks over individually, or creating a sync group, but none of that has worked. Any suggestions?

oh, and p.s. Nice Bill & Ted reference ;)

Excellent! I have been playing with autolists for some time now, and I knew all of those tips, with the exception of the semicolon to get multiple artist/genres on one list.

I must say, Im in love with my new "Rock and all sub-genres" playlist.

I really like the way Auto Playlist are built.. but there's a feature I really miss from 1.3 Version. I'm not able to EXCLUDE some artist from the playlist.. let's say that I have a Huge collection of Heart Rated Songs.. And I want to have them all in a Single Playlist, except for those heart Rated songs from my The Beatles collection (That's just why they deserve a Playlist just for themselves) In Version 1.3 I was able to exclude (by many criteria options) songs from the Auto playlist, in this case, by Artist name. Now, I can't do that.. It would be great to be able to do that again.

Thanks and Regards.

I excited about the "Songs I have never heard" feature!  I have around 3000 songs in my library but it feels like I only hear the same hundred or two songs over and over again, no matter how I sort.  This will give me the opportunity to catch up on some tracks I haven't heard in a while.  Thank you.

Why not also have a comment section to make it easier in creating autoplaylist such as roadtrips and others?

Sweet. I didn't know about the wildcard. I was just getting ticked off the other day because I had to choose Electronic and Electronica. Now I know I can just type electro and be done with it. So, I guess "-hop" will grab both hip-hop and trip-hop, eh? Say hello to my new electro;-hop;bass;tech; playlist ;)

I use two: "Songs I Like" (all rated "like") and "All Songs I Don't Dislike" (all rated "like" or unrated).  These two seem to work well enough for me.

Casar,

Again a nice feature! Do you think it is possible to add the PAL output feature to the zune80 software? Just like the zune30 software?

I'm a zune user living in Europe. As you might know Europe tv's don't support NTSC only PAL. It's to bad that zune80 users can't use the videoput function..

Do you think there's a change to add this function?

Nice blog btw!

Greetings, Blackbird

300 minutes of Salsa I and II.

My top rated Salsa songs always with me. With Top Rated, I mean just an heart :P

Better use the suggestion from EnzoTen next time for a better heart rating system.

@Adam K

you picked up on the Bill & Ted reference, nice! Come see me on the forums and we'll work out your sync issue. Far be it from me to deprive a man from his OutKast!

@all

Glad you found the article helpful, and thanks for posting your favorite autoplaylists and suggestions!

Here's another one I started using yesterday, again, super-simple, but highly useful...

Songs from 2008. Just set the year field to be 2008 to 2008. Now all new songs you download from this year are added. I added a sort by "least played" to catch the new stuff that I haven't played much, or at all. Great way to keep up with all of this year's releases.

I don't know if I mentioned it here before, but I have a "Recently Added" playlist which is always my first priotity to listen to. I basically have the playlist add songs to it that are unrated and added withing the last 10 days. If I like them, I give them the heart rating and they go to my library. If not, and I give them a broken heart rating, they go to another autoplaylist called "Recently Rejected" and I delete the songs in that playlist from my collection.

I need help so I hope it's OK for me to post this question here and hopefully get an answer.  Somewhere along the way, my Zune software has lost the "marketplace" menu item in the menu bar at the top.  So how can I get that back?  I bought a bunch of Zune points but can't use them because I'm not able to get into the Zune marketplace!

How do autoplaylists work with mulitple Zunes? My wife and I both have Zunes. So does it synch with my Zune using the rules and the metrics from my Zune only, or are they combined?

The folks at iHome have just released the first clock radio for Zune! Now you can wake to your favorite

@all

If you need support, come holler at me on the forums. :)

@Joseph

Yes, autoplaylists are sync'd per device. So you and the Mrs. can have different autoplaylists sync'd to each of your devices.

@Timothy

did your regional settings change on your PC? The Marketplace is not available outside of the US, so if your locale/regional settings changed on your machine, that could happen. That would be the only way I could think of that happening.

For some reason the 50 most played songs autoplaylist doesn't work (I know this isn't a bug, I guess I just haven't played any songs on my software more than 5 times).

So my question is can you guys make an option 'most played on Zune device' on the next update? Because I'm certain I've played songs more than 5 times on the actual device. I don't listen to much music on the computer.

“100 Songs I have never heard”

beware of that auto playlist... i have a music collection of 20000+ songs and almost a thousand or two have not been played and the zune generates the playlist all the time... i mean, when i sync my zune with the pc, it always gets 100 new songs and removes the whole list replacing it with new songs (making sync process a lot slower)...

why not to include a stand-alone option for "never played" and "most played" that changes the songs one at the time instead of the whole list??

cheers!

I'd love to see something added to the "heart" ranking.  Even one more intermediate choice would allow us to mark something as a bigger fave over something else, or mark as not sure if we like it or not.  The 5-star ranking was perfect for many, sorry you went away from that.

I really like the autoplaylist feature this update, but would like there to be an option for creating a playlist from a specific folder on my hard drive. As of now, I have a bunch of songs from all sorts of bands and genres where the only defining feature is they share the same folder. I'd like a playlist that updated automatically every time I added to the folder.

Just one example of this is the Free Music Friday stuff I download. If I want to listen to just that, I would have to add it to a playlist every Friday, which is a hassle and I'd probably miss some things.

PLEASE ADD UNICODE SUPPORT or at least East Asian Languages Tag support. PLEASE!

I have found that the wildcard also fails, in reverse.  When I want Queen, I also get Queens of the Stone Age and Queensryche.  When I want Heart, I also get Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers.  Any ideas on how to stop the unwanted adds?

Hi,

I would like to know how to make a autoplaylist that it's filled with full album randomly.

If I leave all the fields empty and the arrange songs by Album, i quite get what I want, but the problem is that I get only the first albums of random artists (first I mean ordered alphabeticaly)..

any Idea??

thanks!!

PD: Why the zune hardware doesn't recognize the disc tag field?  in multi disc albums I get all the tracks 1 than the tracks 2...etc...

I want to be able to make an auto playlist and add by title of the song.  I know this sounds funny but I have several podcasts/downloads that I make everyweek that all have the same song title (with the date to differentiate)like: "essential mix - 10/10/2007" that are all by different artists. I want to be able to make an essential mix playlist.

Have to agree w/ Segerone -- automatically "wildcarding" any entries in the autoplaylist filters kinda breaks the feature. Let the user use standard wildcards where they need to (ala Queen* if you want all the options, but just Queen means QUEEN).

It's also laughable that you state you don't want to go into too much detail on "basic setup" -- that's the only thing the "main" documentation has is a sentence or two for entire large chunks of fuctionality. When are you guys going to learn that obfuscation is not a feature and you should actually DOCUMENT this stuff so users don't have to dig through endless personal blogs just to find out how to use product features?! Common Microsoft -- I know you have the $ to hire a couple of writers! I shouldn't have to blindly poke at a feature to figure out how it works and try to use it...

Thanks for the info. I find myself listening to my "New This Week" playlist the most. I have them sorted by date added, however, I find that they actually show up in the playlist with the last song of the album first. Is there any way to get them in the correct order?

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